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Hip-Hop vs. America II: Where Did the Love Go?

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“Hip Hop vs. America is back for Part II, and this time the ladies want to know, “where did the love go?”  In this second installment of the critically acclaimed town hall series, BET takes a candid look at sexism and misogyny within hip-hop culture – from the music and videos produced by its practitioners to the mindset of its fans. 

 

Part 1 premieres Wednesday, June 25 at 10 p.m. (ET/PT).

Part 2 airs Thursday, June 26 at 10 p.m. (ET/PT).

 

We will also broaden our search for understanding, a search that will cross lines of generation and class, and stretch back for historical context, as we uncover the cause and effect of the pained relationship between Black men and women.

 

Today, rap music embodies the most painful, poignant and powerful evidence of this relationship, where songs about partying and celebrating contain commands like “drop down,” “crawl” and “swallow.”  Every video features a lineup of half-naked, female body parts, and at its half-hearted best, the music is filled with ambivalence and distrust toward women; at its worst, it is nothing short of pure hatred.

 

So where can the love go from here?  Most contemporary rap music is created by and for young males, and the majority of songs display misogyny so blatant that it borders on absurd.  But only the most jaded can laugh at the contemporary Black woman’s “ni**as ain’t shit” philosophy as her best defense against the onslaught, and there’s absolutely nothing funny about young girls now adopting the same mantra.  As for love, well, call it a casualty of war, as even the most thorough search of any rap music database will yield more odes to “the homies,” “the block” or even “the game” than anything remotely resembling a healthy, romantic relationship. For far too many men and boys, women and girls are nothing more than receptacles for their sexual urges, and by extension, a way to assert their manhood.  For far too many of their sisters, males are just a means to get money.

 

This two-night special tackles many sensitive issues, including video misogyny; the sins of sexism; are we our sisters’ keeper?; race vs. gender; and the media’s role in contributing to the misperceptions of Black women.

Episode 1 of Part II of "Hip Hop vs. America,” premieres June 25th at 10 p.m. (ET/PT) on BET.  Episode 2 premieres June 26th at 10 p.m. (ET/PT) and the third episode will only be available on BET OnBLAST.  Also, log on for exclusive footage.

Panelists include hip-hop entertainers Luke, David Banner, Lyfe Jennings, Talib Kweli, Little X and DJ Beverly Bond; author Michael Eric Dyson, Joan Morgan, Nelson George and Moya Bailey; BET’s Kim Osorio; activists such as the Rev. Al Sharpton, the Rev. Eugene Rivers and Kevin Powell; educators such as Prof. Harris Lacewell, Dr. Marc Lamont Hill and Prof. Beverly Guy-Sheftall; video girl Angel Lola Love and TV personality Deelishis; Michaela Angela Davis of ESSENCE magazine; and others!

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  • "hip hop is not the reason"
  • now all my life i listen to hip hop true hip hop never once did i see so much cheap about hip hop making our african-american children the way the are bad. no what is wrong with the high class a hoes that are saying this bull cheap. i listen to music as a form of setting a mood. if i am down i will throw on me some old school if i am out and having a few drinks with my crew in a club i might listen to what ever is playing. hip-hop is and art people and just like whites got and art galley as people of color have hip hop! now as far as sexism in hip hop true the rap game is sexiest but hay as
  • "sexism is alive and well"
  • i found it quite interesting when eugene rivers kept interrupting the panel participants. what i found particularly interesting is when a man shut him down he said nothing yet when a wonderful sista' blasted him, he decided that she took things too far. that was an example of the acute sexism within the black community. i find it appauling and horrific. how can someone be on a panel to discuss to make things better when you yet demonstrate sexism in it's purest form
  • "invisable women"
  • i watched bet's hip hop vs america "where did the love go". and the first thing i notice about the discussion was women the mother of our culture were not represented. i was not represented, i am a single black women, who recently got out of bad marrage, who was raised by a single black mother, in the this male dominated world, in the male dominated black church, in poverty, on a fixed income, my mother was handicap she has cerebral palsy and was taken advantage of and left to raise me along without the mental compassity to do so. i am from new orleans, i am a katrina victim, a two time rape
  • "the real problem"
  • on these shows you have adults speaking from a third party view, and while some of their thoughts are fairly accurate in their minds, it is the complete opposite in a young man such as myself. why not have those youth ( the lost generation as we are called) speak from a first person on the subjects. we are not a lost generation, we are a misunderstood generation. a generation far more advanced and knoweldgeable than we are given credit for. the show is on the right track but fails to hit home due to the lack of youth in the conversation about us and how we are affected by hip hop and the black
  • "other important issues"
  • shows like hip hop vs. america is a wonderful show but there are other issues that bet can spend time on. we are in an election year and bet is airing shows like this. granted nothing is wrong with and the issues discussed on the show need to be addressed. but what about putting a panel together that talks about health care, education, the economy and other issues that really have an effect on the community. this was basically the same show that aired last year with different people. yes as people both sexes need to learn to deal with each other in a more positive and effective way. i ju
  • "give young people a voice"
  • another thing young people need to be on hip hop vs america. i know i would love to be on the show im young but very opinionated,outspoken and intelligent in fact bet if you could it would be nice if ya'll contacted me.since its all about the youth.
  • "response to comment"
  • correction my response is to hip vs america part 2 comment.the guy who started his comment with " where did the love go hmmm?"
  • "response to"hip-hop vs.america"
  • first off in response to the hip hop vs america comment you say women want the world and that men only want a few things from a woman is a little over stretching. you men want big butts,breasts, a woman who will succumb to your every will and at times you just want sex.and maybe you werent shown how to love.and if you cant give like the woman can which they have then work on yourself.
  • "continued church and hip-hop"
  • at 18 i stopped going to church with reasons i'm 19 now and i'm very connected to god. and i listen to hip hop and i'm spiritual and hip hop deals with life. the artists though just need to be mindful, original, and more creative.
  • "church and hip hop"
  • first off when i watched the show "the church and sexism" part there is a difference between church and hip hop.the clip i was wathcing the church kept talking about "cleaning their act". noone will ever be perfect church folks will never be perfect. a young lady appeared and said if the church isnt clean how can hip hop be people are getting it twisted hip-hop music is not gospel.church influence has little to do with hip hop music. alot of people dont even go to church. and that doesnt have to mean they're in clubs i stopped going to church at
  • "hiphop vs. america pt. 2"
  • where did the love go,hmmm? it goes out the window when some don't have a clue on what love is. blackmen love our blackwomen but we show it in the wrong way at times.the men only need a few things from a woman,but a woman wants the world & wants it for nothing & are upset when they don't get it. most men are not hard to get along with you just can only get what he can give.if you expect to much you'll get your feelings hurt.most men don't know how to show the love the women want,thats not something we were shown how to do.we need to work together as a whole.
  • "on women"
  • saying that all women are looking for a man to care for them is saying that women are children. its best people dont make general that women are materialistic and unable to care for themselves thats not true for everyone.
  • "not just a video or song"
  • i had to disagree with david banner it's not just a video or song. if thats the case then artists are not being real and just doing it for the hec of it. alot of people believe you are what you sing or rap about they got to keep that in mind.
  • "not all women"
  • i was watching the show and the guests on stage kept saying that women are looking for "style and security" in a man. i'd have to say there are men looking for that in women there are women who work and have careers and have their own security and probaly dont care much for style. there are women who arent materialistic.this may be hard to believe but there are women looking for real love. i'm one of those but i'm not stupid i know when a man is'nt right.but to infer that women just want a man to care for them is sa
  • "truth will set you free.cont"
  • is so much apart of our culture, it doesn't seem wrong. my generation and the one after need to be "real" stop frontin' and start being men! it's ok to show your women love and affection. it's ok to kiss your son and show him affection; that doesn't make him soft! it's ok to be monogamous! we all don't have to be a rapper or a baller to be worth something! i was just getting on us, men! the women are a whole other story...i'll write about them later!
  • "truth will set you free.cont"
  • that is an issue that has been perpetuated since we have made american culture, our culture. we have lost our identities, we hate on each other when we succeed and we kick each other down when we’re down! what happened to the love? it was lost in our homes. i never saw my father express love to my mother; i rarely saw images of people who looked like me show affection on tv growing up. so, in turn i have issues with expressing love and emotions to women i'm with. i see it all over, most of the men i know whom had similar situations as i; have the same issues. some may not admit it because it i
  • "the truth will set you free.co"
  • influences, uncles, close friends and their fathers and the growing culture around me; hip-hop! i'm not saying that the music i listened to made me do anything wrong! but i will say it has had a definite influence on my life! for some, (rappers) are the only male images that they can closely identify with. the point i'm making is everything starts at the home! if the youth don't have a strong structure or foundation to start with, then they will search elsewhere! and if elsewhere is more welcoming then that's the way they will go! i don't blame hip-hop for the way black males treat black women
  • "the truth will set you free!!!"
  • i didn't watch the first episode of the show but i did catch the 2nd part last night. and a very good point was brought up. about the generation of people that was done wrong by the generation before; something along those lines. and i'd have to say i agree! i'm 32 yrs old; i was raised by my mother and father; mostly by my mom. see, my father was in and out of the house running the streets. he didn’t have too much of a positive influences on me and my brother. i say that because it is from him i was supposed to learn how to be a man. instead i learned from my only male figures i did have as i
  • "entertainment is influence"
  • everybody use the excuse that "its just entertainment" well if they had any common sense then they would understand that people especially young people are influence by that "entertainment." so bad entertainment equals bad influences and good positive entertainment equals a positi ive influence.
  • "where did the love go?"
  • love has become as rare as finding a needle in a hay stack. from love you get repect,friendship,peace with ones self and others etc. the problem we face is not just a black issues it's a humanity issues. the very foundation of the socity we live in is not based on love but based on a lie the was uttered 6,000 years ago. so where there is love the truth in being spoken. when was the last time the truth was carried out or apprechiated without someone suffering? what affects me, affects you rather we know each other or not. got to get back to the basics the wrong somebody with the wrong motives h
  • "seeking higher understanding"
  • i don't consider myself to be the average woman. i am not perfect but i have been chosen by a love that's so fulfilling that man, woman nor child could fill. i am 26 yrs and have three children by a good man who in my eyes is blinded by what he thinks is reality. i think many of our young men and women are misled by what they see on television. most young people spend entire days watching videos that dipict certain lifestyles that are fulfilling to the eye but not the soul. but most don't know that the fulfillment they need can only come from god. we look to others for approval both men and wo
  • "true words"
  • i am a firm beleiver that everything a person learns starts at home first. i was raised by my parents and grandparents. the spoke openly about drugs with me, they gave me my morals, they talk about sex with me. if i had questions, concerns, or doubts about anything i went to them and they tell me honestly. i also grew up on a block where we know our neighbors and they were like our extended family. because if there was something i couldn't talk about with my parents or grandparents or i didnt want to talk to them about i can go to a neighbor for help and if there was something that i didnt hav
  • "sisters need to change too"
  • a lot of sisters nowadays are always looking for somebody with benefits and goods..if you're not flashy and attractive, they wouldn't talk to you..sisters need to learn how to give a thriving-average man a chance..i hear a lot of sisters talking about they want a man who's financially situated..but here is what i tell them; those successful brothers y'all want had to start somewhere..they used to be the average joes that y'all don't want to talk to..u see, you need to learn how to give somebody a chance to be with you..because you never know who they're going to be in the future..i'm not telli
  • "my thought and opinion"
  • i wanted comment on the discussion about "where did the love go". i wanted to say people are influenced by what they see and what they think would spark some kind of difference in their lives or what will make people look at them. i grew up in a house with both of my parents but my mother mostly raised me and gave me my morals. but we look at what somebody teaches us or what we see, again people most of the time we still have to deal with self-esteem, and when you have great self-esteem you don't worry so much about who is teaching you something or telling you something, god uses that perso
  • "hip hop vs. america part ii"
  • thank you jeff johnson and mc lyte so much for bringing forth the issues that plague black men and women today. i am a proud 46 year old mother and grandmother living in the state of virginia. it amazes me how black men and women don't seem to meet eye to eye with anything. i find most black men are dating out of their race. not that i have anything against it. i want to understand the real reason for this transition. what is it about us that we are left behind struggling to take care of our/their children mentally, physically and financially by ourselves while the men can go out and be
  • "continued again... sorry...lol"
  • to say so. we need to stop being so sensitive... and stop blaming hiphop or the media period for the issues in the world... one last thing... women in videos are not being exploited in my opinion. they are working... it is their jobs to be sexy and play the character they are being paid to play. no one mentioned halle berry was exploited when she played in monster's ball and got naked... and was paid a whoooooooole lot for the role and won an oscar! a job is a job... every one has to work to provide for their kids, their families, and themselves. a video chick is simply doing her job just li
  • "continued... sorry...lol"
  • about black women or women in general. i am 22 years old and i am very confident in who i am. i am very strong mentally and i dont feel degraded or exploited by anything i see in music videos or on movie screens for that matter. its all art... its a depiction of reality. if a movie is about hos and pimps that doesnt mean every woman is a ho... it means the character in the movie is a ho. if a rapper talks about b***es and tramps, it doesnt mean he feels every woman is one, it is his story to tell. if the particular woman he is referring to fits the dscription in his opinion, he has the right
  • "strong young black woman"
  • personally, i appreciate all of the effort being put into trying to make black women be treated/displayed better in hiphop and in america. however, i dont see a reason to censor the music artists create. i admit hiphop lyrics can get pretty harsh and foul... but there is a little something called freedom of speech that we all seem to be forgetting about. i do not think people should be so sensitive when a rapper calls a woman a b*** or a ho in their music. i dont consider myself to be either of these things so it doesnt offend me at all to hear black men use this language or make these refere
  • "strong young black woman"
  • personally, i appreciate all of the effort being put into trying to make black women be treated/displayed better in hiphop and in america. however, i dont see a reason to censor the music artists create. i admit hiphop lyrics can get pretty harsh and foul... but there is a little something called freedom of speech that we all seem to be forgetting about. i do not think people should be so sensitive when a rapper calls a woman a b*** or a ho in their music. i dont consider myself to be either of these things so it doesnt offend me at all to hear black men use this language or make these refere
  • "i love the circus that bet is!"
  • lol... it's so funny how bet is: "hip hop vs. america,” panelists include hip-hop luke, david banner, lyfe jennings, talib kweli, little x and dj beverly bond; michael eric dyson, joan morgan, nelson george and moya bailey; bet’s kim osorio; such as the rev. al sharpton, the rev. eugene rivers and kevin powell; such as prof. harris lacewell, dr. marc lamont hill and prof. beverly guy-sheftall; angel lola love and deelishis; michaela angela davis of essence magazine; and others! blaah... blah blah... wow... man bet is funny... all these people on panel, none of which are the right people
  • "great show"
  • b4 change can b implemented, communication and education is vital. we must b knowledgable, how can we change something we know nothing about. it's not even a conversation unless all involved have knowledge on the topic. once we r educated (informed) and r able 2 comunicate (listen & b heard) then and only then can there b progress.
  • "young one"
  • if i had someone in my younger days tell me how things can be, i've would have been the badest chick in my hood. i would have took the knowledge of that had been pass on to me and apply it to my own experiences which would have put me on top. i had noone tell me right from wrong. i had to learn the hard way. parent stay on your children. dont let them go into the world with no knowledge of good and evil. parent what you dont know ask someone and pass it on.
  • "life coach"
  • should we have a class in school to teach us how to live? teach us how to make good decision in life. if we cant get it a home maybe we should try the school system? black or white we all need to live a good life, with love in our hearts. black or white we all have mad bad decisions. its just an option.
  • "when will you start?"
  • now that the show is over, what's next? are the men on the show willing take action? will they go around talking and holding group meetings to talk about what men and women can do to change? will bet hold another hour show and leave us hanging, wanting an answer? i come to the panelists for help because they black community will listen to you than their own parents. thier own parent cant reach them the way you can. maybe the panelists can start with the parents reach out to them first and then the kids. show each them the good, bad, and the ugly of what it is to want to get out of the hoo
  • "speakout"
  • in the bible it speaks of women being submissive to men therefore that is the way society should view this issue at hand.however, black men have misconstrued this belief and want to control, misuse, and abuse black women. women are to be a man's equal (not to be treated as his w***, b*** etc) when black men realize their roles in society then black women will step into their roles as his partner as well. i do not believe that all black women want to be over black men b/c we want that strong christian brother who leads his family the godly way....
  • "truth"
  • i saw the show 2nite and just wanted 2 say that as a young black man livin in 2day's society, i have a choice. either imma go left or go right. thats what life is all about, making choices. so when the discussion was made about the rap music and the message it sends, its up 2 me 2 decide rather or not i let it affect me. now choices r made based on thoughts and reasons. if u ain't strong minded then u can be peer pressured into just about anything. i think its a negative message that most hip-hop music is sending to this generation. but at the end of the day its up to the reciever of that mess
  • "leader"
  • from my understanding when it comes to the church, men are preaching because they are the head. men are to follow jesus and the way he do things. women are to submitt to their husbands in service to the lord. in ephesians 5:21 it explains the roll of the women and how men should treat their wives. the man is the head of the family and should always be in church learning the word of god. the woman is not to know more than the man. man are to cherish their wife, treat her like gold. when a man do this god answers his prayes. it's about dieing to self and taking care of each other. the po
  • "love?? =/"
  • from the mind of an 18 year old mother of a 19 month old son...i believe that some of the people discussing this topic are practicing what is called displacement. (the verb definition.) i viewed hip hop vs. america part one and hip hop vs. america part 2. i also read a book called misogyny and the emcee written by asande osayande. this book discussed the same topics discussed on hip hop vs. america. as i read the book and viewed the show my opinion remained the same and my stance grew stronger. in my opinion i beleive that you can not fully place the blame on hip hop for the expliotation o
  • "curious"
  • this show is very interesting and has me basically glued to the television....i always want to know how these artist feel being targets of how these children think....just wanted to say i love this show and keep'em comming....brooklyn...lol
  • "listen"
  • lookin at 2 night show was upseting and a relief as well b cuz it does me as a young black female good2 know that the matters at hand r being talked about but at the same time like the older generation wont listen b cuz we listen 2 whats been told to us and we see whats shown to us an the 2 r not the same dont tell us one thing and show us another i think its up to parents 2 teach their children which direction thay should follow but dont force it among them cuz u need 2 c that we gone do what we wanna do ppl think that its the music where we r learning things from an its not we know that its