A recent episode of BBC Newsnight, airing Friday night (Nov. 11), highlighted a larger discussion regarding Emmett Tyrrell, the editor-in-chief of conservative magazine American Spectator, and internally acclaimed author, Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie.
The conversation was focused regarding President elect Donald Trump, with Tyrrell making a claim that Trump is not racist nor was he racist throughout the campaign. Adichie was quick to shut him down, giving a passionate and intelligible response to make her case.
During the heated conversation, Tyrrell says that Trump "hasn't been racist," with Adichie interrupting him before he could elaborate.
"I am sorry," Adichie fires back. "But if you are a white man, you don't get to define what racism is.You really don't. You don't get to sit there and say that he hasn't been racist when objectively, he has."
She then goes on to explain that racism is "an objective reality," and that "Trump has inhabited that reality."
Tyrell wasn't hearing it, writing of Adichie's statement to be a Marxist concept, known as false consciousness.
"In other words, I can't even open my mouth here because I'm a white male," Tyrell says.
"No, of course you can," Adichie responds. "I'm just saying to you that Donald Trump has shown us and has recently said things that are objectively racist."
To further establish her point, the Nigerian novelist brought up the example of Trump saying back in June that a federal judge's "Mexican heritage" would mean that he couldn't "impartially" preside over a case that involved the candidate. While Tyrrell pointed out that the judge Trump was referencing looked "his color," Adichie fired back, saying, "that's not the point. It's about what your candidate said."
Take a look at the full interview in the clip below.
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